根據小弟我玩車用音響數年的經驗我決定寫幾篇有關改裝車用音響的文章解決各位"想要" 車用音響改裝---入門篇,中級篇

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趣味新聞網記者特別報導 : 根據小弟我玩車用音響數年的經驗,我決定寫幾篇有關改裝車用音響的文章解決各位"想要","即將要"進入改裝車用音響的一些疑惑可能會連載數篇,從小改到大改這些都是我個人的 ... 車用音響改裝---入門篇, .....

     根據小弟我玩車用音響數年的經驗,我決定寫幾篇有關改裝車用音響的文章
解決各位"想要","即將要"進入改裝車用音響的一些疑惑
可能會連載數篇,從小改到大改
這些都是我個人的經驗及不斷的請教所得來的
彆問我台灣去哪裏可以買到比較便宜的音響,因為我不知道,除非你在美國:heart:
如有冒犯之處,請多多指教
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理論上,改裝音響可以依照性質所需的不同分成兩大類
S.Q.    - Sound Quality    -    音質 (接下來簡稱SQ)
S.P.L. - Sound Presure Level - 音壓 (接下來簡稱SPL)
因為我嚮來對音壓不敢什麼興趣,我個人是比較在乎音質的
所以有關如何改裝大音壓的音響,我就沒辦法提齣太多的建議瞭
接下來的文章都是以  "音質改裝"  取嚮為主
^^^^^^^

在SQ之下,又可分為兩大類,這兩類完全是依照個人喜好而有不同的設定
可分為 "隻聽前麵的喇吧", 跟 "環繞"  (我在美國音響論壇混瞭好幾年,好像沒看過有什麼正式的名稱 :what: )
隻聽前麵的喇吧,意味著,所有位於駕駛人後方的喇吧都要"關掉"
"關掉"意味著不讓她發齣聲音,方法很多
把綫拔掉,或,主機調整把後喇吧的聲音都調整至最小,或照美國人常說的 "Ditch the rear":heart:
這樣一來,聲音就完全從前麵發齣,比較接近""真實的世界"",也可減少喇吧的數量
(你有看過高級的傢用音響是環繞的嗎?我不是說傢庭劇院喔.這也是一樣的道理)
減少喇吧的數量可以避免發聲源太多,而形成互相乾擾,聲音反而不夠清楚
這兩派各有互相的支持者,也都各有理由,你不要跟我吵,因為這是沒有結論的
所以我隻能說------依個人喜好(我們改裝音響又不是要比賽)

我個人是處於這兩派之外的另外一派,既不是"ditch the rear",也不是環繞
而是隻把後喇吧的聲音調小,至於多小,看個人瞭
我大概是前100% 後40%,坐在前座,妳幾乎聽不到也感覺不到後喇吧有發聲的
她們把後喇吧叫做    隻做 "rear fill" 的工作,而不是主要的聲音來源
我想這個 "rear fill" 的主要目的是避免後方的車身雜音跑到前座來
也可以再"某些時候"避免在後麵的重低音喇吧(如果有裝的話)過分的突兀

我個人建議,你不訪嘗試看看,試著把後喇吧的音量調小(所有的主機,包括原廠,都有 "FADE",這個功能)
聽個一段時間看看你喜不喜歡,我當初也是不相信,結果還不是.......:sleep:
左右邊也可以調整一下試試看,因為左邊離駕駛人比較近,可以試試小個 5~10%
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廢話少說,進入正題

入門級--預算有限
我歸類的入門改裝是針對那些隻要把主機或喇吧換掉的人,主要還是以預算為主
當然,主機比喇吧還貴一些,我建議在入門的情況下
最少要同時換主機跟一對喇吧(前喇吧),要不然最好等到預算足夠時在一並更換
不建議隻單換主機或喇吧,因為
1.隻換主機,一般原廠的喇吧較無法承受市售主機的功率,音量稍微大一些容易失真,更嚴重者破音
2.隻換喇吧,一般原廠主機功率較不足,較無法發揮齣市售喇吧應有的錶現,不過音質確實可以感覺有改變
當然,隻換單項,對於整體音質也是會有提升
隻換主機跟前喇吧的情況之下,可以把音質錶現較差的後原廠喇吧聲音調小
相信我,齣來的結果也絕對還不會太差
這樣的好處是,你可以把原本換後喇吧的錢省下來,用好一點的前喇吧或主機

預算嚴重不足::我建議用以下的先後考慮順序

前喇吧 >> 主機 >> 主機跟前喇吧 >> 主機跟前後喇吧*

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中級改裝--有還可以的預算
我自己本身應該算是這一級的,主要是入門級的延生,所用的"""機子在高檔一點"""""
而喜歡有環繞效果的人,也可以考慮換裝後麵的喇吧
主機方麵,"最好"要有聲音延遲的功能 (time delay 或是time correction),沒有也可以
因為這一點在提升整體音質錶現上有相當的幫助
不像傢用音響,一般左右喇吧距離人耳的距離幾乎是一樣的
車用音響在先天上就處於弱勢,左右喇吧距離駕駛人的距離相當的不協調
導緻聲音無法同時到達駕駛人,
而聲音延遲功能,可以把聲音訊號延遲某個微秒(ms)從某個喇吧送齣
使的聲音可以"同時"的到達駕駛人,結果就會跟我之前所寫的一篇文章一樣
達到有"SWEET SPOT"的效果,這當然要花不少時間去調校的
效果當然有所提升,不過也當然不是100%完美就是瞭
再來,一顆重低音喇吧是少不瞭的,她可以補足一般喇吧低音感應頻率的不足
使得在全音域之下都有專司其質的喇吧在負責
再好的 6X9 喇吧,在超低音的頻率裏也是無法錶現的像重低音喇吧一樣的齣色
而在重低音喇吧的選擇上,請注意參考該喇吧的頻率範圍
能到達越低的越好,例如 18Hz~100Hz之類的數據,多參考比較看看
重低音,不是叫你跟其他台客一樣,台客多半是 SPL 取嚮的,大聲就好
可是SQ取嚮的音響是完全不同的,SQ的重音是要 "重" , "直接",不是要大聲
!要跟係統整個配閤!,不是隻聽到"碰碰碰"的聲音
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此級的改裝,我尚不建議用擴大機來推喇吧,因為這樣做,預算會大幅增加
而且一般的 2 way 或 3 way 的改裝喇吧,在功率要求上用改裝主機也還尚推的動
不過在選擇主機上要注意需齣功率要選大一點的機子就是瞭
不過再選擇好一點的主機的同時,功率自然也不會縮水,所以不用太擔心這個問題

至於主動或被動的重低音就因人而異或是看預算瞭
(1.)主動式重低音__擴大機跟喇吧單體是一體成型的,給她訊號跟電源,她就可以工作瞭
較節省空間,隻要找地方固定就可以瞭,但是種類選擇較少,好的選擇也不多
(2.)被動式重低音__喇吧跟擴大機是分開的,不僅擴大機要"找地方放",喇吧也需要固定,一般來說都是音箱
市售大部分都是這一類的為主,種類選擇多,較佔空間,也較有變化

音箱的選擇
音箱一般來說有三類, (有人用整個"行李箱當作音箱的",這其實是很不好的)
(1.) SEALED -- 音箱是完全密封的,此種方法能達到最好的音質錶現,但通常需要更大的功率纔能達到相同的響度
所以,如果你是一般有"行李箱"的轎車,行李箱跟車室是被隔開的,不建議裝此種的音箱
因為需要付齣更多的預算纔能達到應有的效果,不過像RV休旅車就是一個不錯的選擇,整個空間是開放的
重音較能散開,響度也較足夠,也最直接,體積一般是三類裏最小的
(2.) PORTED -- 跟sealed音箱很像,隻是你會在音箱上看到一個(或更多)洞,所謂的呼吸孔,
跟一搬電腦喇吧的原理很像,不需要太多的功率就可以有相當的響度,
對一般轎車算是不錯的選擇,因為重低音喇吧通常都被放在行李箱,必須要有相當的響度
否則是沒有效果的,缺點是聲音沒有SEALED來的直接,且重音常常會太圖兀,而蓋過瞭其他的聲音
需要適當的調校,體積略比DEALED稍微大一些
(3.) BANDWIDTH -- 我不知道這種音箱要怎麼翻成中文,音箱體積特彆大,相當的佔空間
整顆喇吧都被包在音箱理,通常有音箱有一麵是透明的,可以讓你看到裏麵的喇吧
感覺起來像是SEALED跟PORTED兩個音箱黏在一起,一樣的功率,這種音箱能發齣最大的響度
而且保證你絕對是天搖地洞,台客的最愛,也毫無音質可言

音箱的選擇也是一們不小的學問,不過一搬來說,材質要越紮實越好,內裏的接縫邊要確實的上膠密封住
重點就是要完全的把聲音壓製住,讓她隻從"該齣來的地方齣來"
再來,音箱的大小(內容積)也不是越大越好,再買重低音單體時,原廠都會有給建議值
同一顆喇吧,SEALED的要求大小會比PORTED的要求大小在稍微小一些
原廠都會清楚的給就是瞭,該注意的是要諄照原廠給的範圍就是瞭
包括功率大小也是一樣
我常常在美國論壇看到,她們很喜歡給比原廠所建議的多齣一倍的功率
這樣可以把她們推到極限:surprise:,當然,結果是很容易就把裏麵的綫圈給"溶解瞭"(不是震鬆喔):sleep:
當然瞭,也有很多的好喇吧,也都還可以存活下來,真是.....................

如果預算許可的話,也許可以考慮一下,在前喇吧"附近"施以一些隔音方麵的處理
美國以再賣一種類似鋁箔的東西,她是給汽車隔音用的,但是也有專門給喇吧用的大小
她可以防止一些喇吧在"發功"時所造成的不必要震動,
同時對音質跟隔音做到改善,算是一舉兩得,也不會太貴
既然前喇吧都卸下來瞭,不訪考慮放一層進去 (真後悔當初我沒裝,沒辦法,喇吧不是我自己裝的)

最後就是綫材
訊號綫(給重低音的訊號)最少要用有屏障的綫,韆萬不可用裸綫(沒有屏障)
而給擃大機用的電源綫,也絕不是越粗越好,而是要根據拉綫的長短,擴大機功率的大小
來決定電源綫的大小粗細型號

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這個網站有相當詳細有關技術方麵的資料
或是在搜尋,比較各機子,都是相當的方便,不過是英文的就是瞭
www.crutchfield.com
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這是我目前的設定,在一定預算下,我算是相當滿意,供各位參考

主機--------------Alpine 9811 (兩年前的型號,有聲音延遲的功能,整體相當的不錯)
前喇吧-----------Alpine 6X8 Type_E (不知道我為什麼買這個,大概是因為跟當時現場的其他幾種比起來
她重量最重吧,我覺得沒有什麼特彆好推薦的)
後喇吧-----------原廠 (沒怎麼用到後喇吧,就把錢省下來瞭)
重低音-----------Infinity Basslink 10" (主動式,SEALED), (我相當喜歡這個,響應頻率可以到相當的低
,聽起來相當不錯,空間使用的不多,缺點是響度不足,如果你是一般轎車,最好彆裝
必須是要開放式的行李箱纔比較好,車室內也絕對夠你聽,但如果你要尬音響
那就算瞭吧,隻有自討苦吃的份)
整體SQ改裝的完成度,名列我的改裝排行榜第二名
下次在介紹第一名(高級改裝),跟終極改裝(我還沒親身改裝過)

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谢谢大大的分享..
可是我只换喇吧没换主机..
音质也没有很差呀!!!
而且我的主机是CLARION的啊!!!

good good
i used crutchfield too
that web site is so good that most of my woofers and speakers are from there
except the head unit. haha
got that from my dad for 18th bday present
keep up the goodies man
ac

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换台主机可读烧录片(自己去试用试听) 一万五至两万五就很棒了

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不错唷...相当有概念的改装方法...可以试试看唷..

hi.shouchien
how could i contact you?i have question about car audio?
i am in USA too.

Thanks

If you have questions, you can post here.
I'll answer your questions here in detail.
sorry, but i just cant post my contact information in case i get lots of junk mails or unwanted calls.

我只玩A类~以下是我的配备

主机----FujiTen 33 哑巴机(nakamichi1200&KENWOOD905听不习惯)

前喇吧------Focal 165kex +Dynaaudio 共6颗

后喇吧-----------Focal180kEX x4

重低音-----------PPI 12"

超霸电瓶全车古河线 Apex电容x2  FUBA天线

AMP全部PPI ...MOS 425推前中高音 & MOS 50推后中高音 & A1200.2 推超低音& A600推前低音

PPI 225参数  PPI EQ 230

以上是小弟的配备(JL & Phonex Gold从未喜欢过)

如以上拼音有误请见谅,我只是临时逛到这而回覆

给初学者一个建议......主机为心脏,主机烂其它再好也没用

谢谢大大的提供唷!!等到有前一定要打音响换好一点的

Thank you for reply.bt i have something need to ask you by phone.if you can aswer it to me,please.
Because it hard to explain in here.

i can just sample tell you what i have.

1* Nakamichi RD-450 player ( old one & without CD changer )
1* Omnifi DMP-1 20GB player
2* Infinty 1130W subwoofer ( 300 RMS)
4* REGULAR FRONT END speakers
1* Verge 4-Channel Amplifier (VGA460)

1* Verge 2-Channel Amplifier (VGA285)

1.前场喇叭:MOREL SUPERMO高音,HYBRID4当中音,HYBRID O系列当门板低音
2.主机 :VDO 4502
3.重低音单体:HERTZ 12"(型号忘记ㄌ)两颗
4.扩大机 :AUDISION VR4.300EX.2 核桃木全配版两台
5.EQT一对
6.超霸电瓶后移

原帖由 ike2206 于 2005-11-1 01:26 AM 发表
Thank you for reply.bt i have something need to ask you by phone.if you can aswer it to me,please.
Because it hard to explain in here.

i can just sample tell you what i have.

1* Nakamichi RD-450 player ( old one & without CD changer )
1* Omnifi DMP-1 20GB player
2* Infinty 1130W subwoofer ( 300 RMS)
4* REGULAR FRONT END speakers
1* Verge 4-Channel Amplifier (VGA460)
1* Verge 2-Channel Amplifier (VGA285)

SO what is your problem?
I couldnt find much info about the Nak, so i assume it's pretty old.  But it's always good to see someone having a Nak.  It's always been a good deck.
If these are what you have right now, and you want some upgrade......<< I assume this is what you want.  You definitely need some serious make over, beside the Omnifi unit.
I dont think you can connect the Omnifi to the Nak cuz i dont think it has AUX input.  However, there IS a way to connect those two together, through the FM modulator which is not a very good way to hook up the system.  You will DOWNGRADE the music quality from Omnifi unit(quality close to CD) to radio quality only.
Also I do see a major problem you have now.  I dont know what kind of Infinity subS you have, but i assume that's ok since you wrote down the "300 RMS".  I dont care about the 1130W or what so ever.  Assume each Infinity sub can take 300RMS, you'll need 600RMS total juice for them.  I do not see a way for you amps can produce 300RMS for each channel.  EVEN if you bridge the 4-ch into 2-ch amp, it is still FAR FAR FAR away from enough power to produce the power that your subs need.
My guess is that you want to buy 2 pairs of speakers(front and rear), and you want the amp to power them.  But how about the subs?  You will need a new amp for the subs.
I can tell that you are more of a SPL person than a SQ one.  But your setting is kind of wrong toward a SPL setting.  FIRST, if you want it LOUD, you shouldnt choose the infinity.  Second, you just dont have enough power to get them loud enough.  In fact, if you tried to power them by the amps you have, you'll be VERY dispointed.
Infinity speakers are SQ speakers.  They are not very efficient which means you need more power to drive them in order to have the same volume as other speakers.  BUT, they DODODO have great sound if you can just give them enough power.
600RMS is a lot of power to produce.  If your car is old, i probably wont suggest you to do it.  Older cars usually have smaller alternator.  You will have I-call-it "disco headlight".  And capacitors wont solve your "disco headlight" problem.

Sorry if you feel that I kind-of criticize you system.  MY BAD!  I apology.

My suggestion:  NEW SYSTEM? You need a new deck(receiver), 2 pairs of speakers(or 1 if you dont need the rer), and a new powerful amp.  What to get?  It all comes down to how much you are willing to spend.

Did i answer your question?  If not, TRY ME!  LOL:heart:

PS: damn, i can open another new topic for this.......IN CHINESE characters......lol

Thank you so much ,shouchien
it's so helpful to me to understnad what i gonna to do use those equipments.
becasue i am going to bring those units back to TW on end of December.i want to make sure everything will work on my car.i am going to put them in my classic Austin Mini.it's very old one.
becasue when i went to CircuitCity last time. they said it's not a problem to push 2 Infinity SUBs by use Amp.and even this Amp wouldn't push over my Subs,bcause amp power is lower than sbus.

Also my idea is use Nakamichi's CD changer cable to connect Omnifi player ( if it is possible) ,then i don't need to buy other AUX-in plsyer to replace Naka.

i do understand i can use FM modulator to connect it.but i don't want to lost sound qualit,that's why i am notgoing to use it.

i am not serious musican,i don't need very powerful Subs to push.
i jsut want to know how's the sound quality if i put them on it.
if you don't suggest sub amp.i will return it and buy other one.( but it's very cheap here )

Thank you very much for advice.

VGA460
46 Watts x 4 at 4 Ohms
62 Watts x 4 at 2 Ohms
128 Watts x 2 at 2 Ohms << (not 4 ohms !!!)

VGA285
Power (watts RMS into 2 ohms x channels) : 105 x 2
Power (watts RMS into 4 ohms x channels) : 80 x 2
Bridged power x channels (4 ohms)  : 215 x 1

I dont know which infinity subs you refer to.  OH...is 1130W the model number??  I thought it's the Watts..lol.  My bad.  But there is no such sub existed.  11" w/ 3 ohms single coil?  I pick one that FIT your description-
Infinity Reference 1240w
12" 4-ohm
frequency response: 23-400 Hz
power range: 60-300 watts RMS  << (300RMS)
sensitivity: 93 dB

My mistake, again.  I take back my previous statement.  You CAN use the amp to power the sub, BUT with certain limitation.  First, it is true you can power the sub with less power required.  It's just like you put a MINI engine in a big US-made SUV.  The suv can run/move, but certain not as smooth as the juicy V8.  OK, back to the question.  There is no way you can power the sub by the vga460.  As for the vga285, I think you can use it to power 1 sub, JUST 1.  Bridge the vga285 will give you a 215W into 4 ohms which i dont think you will have 215W by all mean.  Maybe around 200W more or less.  Cars cant never put out the voltage to 14.4V as they measure the performance of the amp.  Usually it's more like 13.7 without engine running, and around 14V with engine running.  So a 200W amp to power a 300W sub?  You may.  Not the best setting, but it should be fine and sound decent considering you have a VERY SMALL car, it's a plus.
I will suggest you use a sealed sub box.  MINI is too small to have a ported even a bandwidth box.  You wont hear much of the music.  And you can save the vga460 to power the rest of the speakers if you wish.  If you do so, this might get a little dangerous.  Classic MINI is very old, and it's smaller than a regular compact.  The alternator is probably very very small.  By the figure, you will have around 300+ watts produced by the amps.  You can try, and hell, I will give it a try, too.  If you do encounter a disco-light problem, remember my advise.  Putting a capacitor in the system wont help.(dont listern to other ppl say, they just dont know car audio.  put down NT100000 for a sucker system?! lol)  Putting a new, bigger battery wont help.  The only thing you can do is go "rewind" you existing alternator to get it put more power.  Or get a bigger alternator.
If i were you, i WONT listen to anything the circuitcity or bestbuy guys say.  Instead, go to some car audio forum on the internet.  There are whole bunch of car audiophiles there.  They can also give you some good advise, too.
I think you can connect the omnifi to the Nak.  You can give it a try.  I believe i saw the same kind of project beening done somewhere else.  Not best choice, but certainly a good try to save money.  Or you can just use the omnifi ALONE and ditch the Nak?  There are all kinds of possibility you can try.  Ditch the Nak might be a good choice, too.  One less device in the car, one less chance you will face power shortage.  The down side is that you will lose the radio.(i dont think you can find cassettes in the 21 century, lol)
I hate the FM modulator, you lose tons of quality.  I had the same problem when i first in touch with car audio.  so i get a FM mod. CD changer from crutchfield.com.  DAMN, you cant imagine how bad the sound was.  so i returned it with no question asked.
For a MINI, 1 sub is pretty much enough.  If you really want to put 2 in, then you will need a bigger amp for sure.  As for sound quality, always love infinity.  They punch deep and tight.  Give it the right song, you'll cry........lol.
I got a focus hatch, and I have a 10" active infinity (basslink).  LOVE IT.  You cant shkae the whole world, but far more than enough for listening.

What you need are just some speakers to fill in the front and rear since you have the vga460.  its 46W x 4 is sufficient too push most of the aftermarket speakers you wish to buy with ease.  Get rid of 1 infinity sub, exchange it for the speakers if you know the size of the speakers.  car audio components are much cheaper and better choices here in US than taiwan.  Then you should be able to have a very nice decent system.  As i quote, should be worth a NT50000+ system for the folks in taiwan.

May the force be with you......

感谢分享~
这建议真是不错~
虽然还没有钱改音响~
但是要换ㄉ时时候会考虑试试这个方法唷~
:smile::smile::smile:

真是详细~~~上了一课!
有没有高级篇呢:surprise:

最近我也想加装音响设备~
看到此教学分享~真的是很佩服!!
正在研究ALPINE的我~
还真不晓的该怎么去加装呢~

我也想将车子的音响改造一翻，
我想用一系列Infinity的音响系统，
当然主机是想用哥乐的
前音场採用2-way同轴，100w两颗，
再加超高音蚕丝单体*2，
后音场则是用6*9、150w两颗，
再加15"超重低音*2颗，音箱式的

就以上单体来说，我应该要选何牌的AMP,
及功率要多少ㄋ，最重要的是这样大概要花多少银子阿!!!

我的机子是先锋的,不过那些型号都忘暸主机好像是P-999吧台湾因该还蛮少的.....喇叭也是用同一牌子的!!高音还算是蛮清晰的!!中音和低音的部份可能就较大大的差了一点..在家个普通主动式的重低音..不过整体听起来的感觉都还算不错!!

Thank you for reply.bt i have something need to ask you by phone.if you can aswer it to me,please.
Because it hard to explain in here.

1* Nakamichi RD-450 player ( old one & without CD changer )
1* Omnifi DMP-1 20GB player
2* Inf

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