http://tw.news.yahoo.com/article/url/d/a/100308/8/21oh9.html衛生署長楊誌良閃電請辭 為的就是健保費調漲問題！其實 「月虧20億」　直率楊誌良曾批社會白目 - 趣味新聞網

查也不一天两天的事情
蓝绿2边贱立委护航药价黑洞怎么都没人讲
直辖市欠债不还钱也是事实
而且合法滥用健保资源也没人讲话
社会的确理盲又白烂
不把卫生署提升独立行使职权单位
甚么都不用讲

本帖最后由 bbmanex 于 2010-3-9 18:44 编辑

马正腐不改革不解决弊端..
只找一个人出来吠!
还假小假鼻...
这种东东..
传说中的国民党人才??
国民党除了会呛声搞滥情还会什么?


官商勾结A老百姓的钱..不给A还要被骂..
马英九这批人不要太过份哦!

我想 卫生署长说要涨可能真的有这必要性吧
而且不涨 也是挖东墙补西墙 最后也是变向涨吧

最后我同意开版的大大说的 要确实彻查一下全台湾的医院看每间医院虚报多少
虽然是大工程 不过健保亏空的元兇就是他们 希望政府能努力的执行

杨志良还敢讲亏损，看看健保局的员工年终奖金高的吓人，若是一家私人企业，
亏了那么多钱，拿不拿得到薪水都很难说了，还敢肖想年终奖金，想涨价，先把
药价黑洞及地方县市积欠的健保费还来再来谈。

本帖最后由 等糖吃的小孩 于 2010-3-9 19:22 编辑

健保不外乎

开源&节流!!

当务之急是要先开源之后再好好整顿节流

但以现在国民党官员执政

官员都还要揣摩金秘书长跟老滑头行政院长的意思

是他妈的怎么做事? 就像2楼说的如果卫生署是独立行使职权的话还有可能

我想请问大家?

马英九一天哭爸我又没做错!

我他妈的告诉你~你用人用错了~识人不明却执迷不误

从陈聪明到金小刀都是你的小人~

说句坦白话杨署长虽然不会SOCIAL

但他至少执行力够强~比他妈的金小刀强几千倍了

政策作的好~民进党一定会被你打到趴下

再继续识人不明~下届总统大选你就知道什么叫难看了

杨前鼠长的水准跟个性  想起能相提并论的就是肚正赛

也没看到为健保浪费做出甚么改善措施  只会喊涨骂社会白木

祇看到骂人白痴的在慰留骂人白目的
不愧是马戏团啊
啧啧
以上

一个月涨个七十块就吵成这样，美国没有健保只能任私人保险公司乱收费，唉...

所以他才批 台湾社会白木又滥情阿!!

为了选举  妥协公共政策   一而在再而三 国家哪有进步~~

可悲喔~~

治标不治本  涨健保费  他怎么不想想为什么会积欠这么多  还有北市的怎么不强制执行

本帖最后由 bbmanex 于 2010-3-10 12:38 编辑



美国的保险公司并没有强迫
顾客认为合理才会购买产品,何来乱收费之说?

一个月涨个70看似很少,可是,是真的很少吗?????
一个家庭四个人来算,就是280
对于只有单薪还在租房子或者缴房贷的家庭而言,钱都快不够用了,还多这笔支出?
一年就是多付3360元
万一失业了,健保可还是要缴啊!!
............................................
回应主题
国民党正腐不改革一起A,还找个看起来不起眼的东东出来呛声
中华文化就是这样,没有正面改革的精神!只有腐杇

国民党的呛声文化真是腐败台湾
用呛声来模煳焦点的劣等文化,不是大声只会打嘴炮,问题就会解决的!
马英九这批东东不快点下台,台湾是不会进步的

本帖最后由 cutetoyuta 于 2010-3-10 13:31 编辑



积欠那么多
1.立委的医疗体制酬庸
2.国内人口老化导致医疗需求大增
3.医药界的诈领
4.某些人一年看超过四百次病为数还不少  把医院当游乐园在玩(我亲戚就有这种人  还是叔公辈的 无言~
5....等等
================================================

我记得是  2000~2008or 2010年 全台湾县辖市共欠费103亿(详细数字忘了
也由中央政府向银行团借钱预先支付个县辖市还款
个县辖市也拟定还款计画跟年限了 (还银行

而直辖市  

北市好像四百亿出头  大概103年会还清
高市两百多亿  大概108年会还清
高县就大约五十亿  大概102 or 103年还清

也是由中央政府先向银行借钱还款
再由地方政府去还钱给银行

简单的说 就是目前健保各县市欠费都已经缴清给中央健保局
各县市按年限计画还款给银行

所以 千万别跟着不实报导随之起舞

简单的说  就是国家先行向银行借款 国家当保人!!
既然有了还款计画   何来强制执行呢?搞得好像就是因为单单只有北市欠款 拖累健保体制

详细资料  可以到各地健保单位去谘询^^
喔 还有中央健保局  以及卫生署开的记者会中也有详细资料
只是没人对这方面有兴趣


以上~

健保会亏损
最重要的还是健保黑洞啊
就算今天涨了
那黑洞不把他堵住
健保还是会亏损
难道健保只要出状况
就要从人民这边掏钱吗

健保局~
员工赚很大
很舒服@@
爽爽领年终
很爽~

本帖最后由 NY2 于 2010-3-11 12:06 编辑

台湾人确实 人在福中不知福
台湾有最勤奋的专业医师
看病很少分阶级,用药用仪器  医师大多用最好的
排队速度又快,  重病/手术负担少


欧洲看病缴的比台湾多
美国没有健保  看病要很多钱


********************************

『国际观察』昨日澳洲医院亲身体验，澳洲老百姓太苦了(2010)
http://www.tianya.cn/publicforum/content/worldlook/1/257674.shtml

北京的医院挂号有多难，四大医院现场实拍(2009)


台湾健保与欧洲健保
http://spicyfish.wordpress.com/2008/04/10/taiwan-health-insurance/
台湾健保即使从604元调涨到659元?
还是比在德国的健保便宜好用多了!!!

不去查漏洞！
而是在抱怨钱不够...

本帖最后由 easyeye 于 2010-3-12 10:56 编辑



美国没保险你最好不要生病。随便看个普通感冒没有健保要折合台币2100元，手指被割伤去急诊室缝要TWD18000，救护车一趟要TWD24000！
再说保险公司大家一起哄抬价格，没有什么人去管，你乖乖去买，要不然有种不买。美国人薪水高，出个事也吃不消，很多人因为出个事负担不起医药费而破产。
而且这次涨是不是只有高收入的族群涨？这些低收入户根本不需要去担心嘛。
台湾健保效率已经算是世界上数一数二的，不要身在福中不知福！

台湾媒体崇洋媚外时么鸡皮算毛小事，只要有牵扯到台湾通通都会上头版！但是人家赞美台湾健保的文章怎么连影子都看不到？

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89651916 (NPR在美国的公共广播电台)
Taiwan Takes Fast Track to Universal Health Care
by T.R. REID

April 15, 2008
At the end of the 20th century, Taiwan became a rich country, almost overnight. But it still had a poor country's health care — about half the population had no coverage at all. So Taiwan set out to design a national health care system from scratch. What makes Taiwan unique is the way the country figured out how to cover everyone.

Follow the Oxcart

Hongjen Chang was one of the officials in charge back then. Walking through Taipei's imposing Chiang Kai-shek Memorial Park, he recalls how they did it.

"Taiwan is a small island," he says. "We always look abroad internationally for ideas."

Chang quotes a Chinese saying: "'The track of the previous cart is the teacher of the following cart.'"

In other words, if someone else's oxcart has found a good route to universal health coverage, follow those tracks. "If they were trapped in trouble, avoid that track. Find a new track," Chang says.

The government consulted experts from around the world, like Taiwanese American health economist Tsung-mei Cheng.

"In the end, the program that they finally set up in 1995 really is like a car that was made of different parts, imported from overseas, but manufactured domestically," Cheng says.

A Consolidated System

They wanted a system that gave everybody equal access to health care — free choice of doctors, with no waiting time — and a system that encouraged a lot of competition among medical providers.

To finance the scheme they chose a national insurance system: a single, government-run fund that forces everybody to join in and pay.

The result is a system that works a lot like Canada's, or like the U.S. Medicare system, but with more benefits.

"It has drug benefits, vision care, traditional Chinese medicine, kidney dialysis, inpatient care, outpatient care, just about everything under the sun," Cheng says.

To satisfy the patients in Taiwan, there's no gatekeeper who controls access to specialists and no waiting lines.

If you woke up in Taiwan with shoulder pain, for example, Chang says that you would be able to see an orthopedic specialist the same morning, no recommendation from a general practitioner required.

"Our people don't like the idea of gatekeepers. They want to decide by themselves," Chang says.

Don't Forget Your Smart Card

By consolidating so much — one government plan that covers everybody — Taiwan achieves remarkable efficiency.

Everybody here has to have a smart card to go to the doctor. The doctor puts it in a reader and the patient's history and medications all show up on the screen. The bill goes directly to the government insurance office and is paid automatically.

So Taiwan has the lowest administrative costs in world: less than 2 percent.

They also use that smart card to track patterns of use.

"If a patient goes to see a doctor or hospital over 20 times a month, or 50 times in a three-month period, then the IT picks that person out. The person then gets a visit from the government, the Bureau of National Health Insurance, and they have a little chat. And this works very well," Cheng says.

That may be too much like Big Brother for some people in the United States, but surveys show the Taiwanese are highly satisfied with their health care.

Plus, no one goes bankrupt because of medical bills, Chang says.

A Strained System

So the patients are safe from bankruptcy. But the system itself is under strain. Chang says that Taiwan spends 6.23 percent of its GDP on health care, compared to 16 percent in America.

So the United States spends too much on health care, and doesn't even cover everybody. But the Taiwanese don't bring in enough money to pay for all the services they offer.

"So actually, as we speak, the government is borrowing from banks to pay what there isn't enough to pay the providers," Cheng says.

Taiwan's politicians are reluctant to increase premiums: they're afraid the voters will punish them.

So that's the problem here. And frankly, the solution is fairly obvious: increase the spending a little, to maybe 8 percent of GDP.

Of course, if Taiwan did that, it would still be spending less than half of what America spends.

就是因为有弊案才会亏这么多，

但也不能够全怪他们没有查，

许多老阿嘛没事就想上医院，

想说多拿多赚...

我们乡下地区更多这种的，这才是亏本的大元兇吧

老大马不是出来慰留了吗? 杨属长不是男儿坚强 ,也有软掉的那一天..

健保助貧! 標靶光子刀救命 肝癌末期病患獲生機

利菁：用最好的藥治鼻炎 竟被塑

健保調費率 月薪3萬以下不漲

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