美國網民：中國從波士頓爆炸案中同時看到美國天堂和地獄的一麵 - 趣味新聞網

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     中國從波士頓爆炸案中同時看到美國天堂和地獄的一麵
China sees the best and worst of America in Boston bombing
作者:翻譯加工廠 發布日期:2013-05-16 瀏覽:10500
譯文簡介:中國從波士頓爆炸案中同時看到美國天堂和地獄的一麵。
譯文來源: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/04/16/china-sees-the-best-and-worst-of-america-in-boston-bombing/
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China sees the best and worst of America in Boston bombing
Posted by Max Fisher on April 16, 2013 at 12:41 pm

中國從波士頓爆炸案中同時看到美國天堂和地獄的一麵

China’s many Web users tend to watch U.S. events closely, so it was no surprise to see the Monday bombings at the Boston Marathon become the top trending topic on Weibo, China’s massive social media service. Some of this conversation turned around often-debated questions of the relative merits of the Chinese and American systems. The comments are revealing, both for what they say about how the U.S. and its values are perceived in China and for how Chinese compare the U.S. to their own country.

中國相當一部分網友時刻關注著美國新聞，所以當周一早上波士頓爆炸發生成為微博---中國龐大的社交服務---的焦點便不足為奇。這裏經常會有關於中美體製優劣功過的辯論。評論總是富有啓發性的，網友們對於美國和美國價值觀的關注也已驅使中國人自己將美國和中國進行對比。

For all the American obsession with security and safety, it’s the U.S.’s show of transparency, of coming together in common cause, that seems to be stirring jealously and even reverence in far-away China.

美國人依賴安全感，這是美國毫無保留的展示他們，凝聚到一起的共同原因，這似乎在遙遠的中國激起瞭當地人嫉妒甚至是尊敬的感受。

Chinese Web users seemed to draw two general conclusions: that China would be more effective at preventing a Boston-style attack, but that the U.S. is better equipped to respond to and cope such an event. They portrayed China as a formidable security state that privileges safety and secrecy, but the U.S. as a place where officials, police and citizens work together in harmony and cooperation.

中國網民看起來總結瞭兩個一般性結論：中國在類似“波士頓式襲擊”防患未然方麵卓有成效，但美國在危機應對方麵則更加成熟。他們描繪中國像一個令人畏懼的安全堡壘，特彆有安全感和隱蔽性；而美國則是一個官員，警民都能閤作融洽的地方。

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It’s a somewhat rosy perspective of the U.S. one discussed jealously, even reverently. Many Chinese commenters seemed to treat this American trade-off – less security for greater transparency – as not only preferable but something from which their own country should learn.
“I’m not saying that the US is much better than China,” one Weibo user wrote in a comment aggregated by the site Offbeat China. “But in the face of a bombing attack, they have absolute information transparency and absolute freedom of speech. There is no ban on reporting or block of information. All media are allowed to report, which will never happen in our country.”
Here’s another, widely shared Weibo comment that drew a sharp comparison between the U.S. response and China’s typical secrecy.
Three hours after the Boston bombing, news websites and TV channels are streaming live news – there is no ban on news reporting. Local police held a press conference immediately – quick reaction plus transparent information and thus there is no rumor or panic.

從樂觀的角度來看美國，人們會有點嫉妒甚至會懷有敬意。對於美國在安全方麵擁有更大透明度這方麵，很多中國批評傢認為，這不僅是可取的，還是自己國傢需要學習的地方。
“我不是說美國比中國好的多，”Offbeatchina.com 引用瞭一位微博用戶的評論，“而是純粹就爆炸處理方麵來說，他們有著絕對的信息透明和絕對的言論自由。報道沒有禁區，信息沒有封鎖，任何媒體都有權報道，這在我們國傢永遠不會發生。”
這裏還有另外一條廣為轉載的評論，將美國明朗的做法和中國典型的保守秘密的做法進行瞭一個鮮明的對比。
波士頓大爆炸發生三小時後，新聞網站和電視台直播現場信息——沒有人禁止新聞播齣，本地警察迅速的舉行瞭記者發布會，——因為這種快速反應，加上信息透明，所以沒有謠言和恐慌。


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Google released Person Finder; the public offered help for those runners who are from outside of Boston or the country; thousands of people left their contact information. In the face of a severe situation, the government, the media, companies and individuals all work together smoothly. It’s something we ought to learn.
Some Weibo users suggested that a similar attack would have been far more difficult to carry out in major Chinese cities, where police surveillance is famously rigorous. One argued that, even if someone did succeed in setting off bombs in China, “With no immediate press conference and all information blocked, the terrorists would have no proof that they indeed attacked. There will be no impact at all.”
Though few users seemed to disagree that the Chinese government’s initial response to such an attack would be secrecy, many argued that this would actually hurt the country’s ability to respond and address the needs of victims. Here is a much-cited Weibo comment arguing how China would respond to a Boston-style attack in one of its own cities:

榖歌發布瞭Person Finder （尋人搜索庫），以便公眾為那些從彆處趕來波士頓參賽的人提供幫助，上韆人留下瞭自己的聯絡方式。麵對這一嚴峻的形式，政府，媒體，企業，個人，大傢有條不紊齊心協力的配閤著。這就是我們應該學習的地方。
一些微博用戶提到，如果類似的事情發生在中國城市，情況會變得睏難的多，這裏的警察以嚴密監視而著稱。有人說，如果有誰在中國成功引爆炸彈，“不會有及時的新聞發布會，所有的信息都會被封鎖，就算沒有證據證明恐怖分子襲擊，也不會對結果有任何影響。”
雖然不認同中國政府針對此類襲擊事件采取保密做法的人隻是少數，但也有很多人爭論，這種做法是否會損害國傢應急反應能力，或者妨礙滿足受害者的需要。
下麵是一條被頻繁引用的微博評論，關於類似於波士頓的事件發生在我們自己的城市時，中國應該作何反應：

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In China, government press release starts at best 6 hours after the attack. During the 6 hours, most media remain silent because they are not given the permission to report yet. On the Internet, rumors start to spread. Angry netizens start to blame the government for doing nothing. Public intellectuals [a term used to describe liberals] start to accuse the government of failing their responsibilities. No one mentions a word about the victims or those who suffer from the attack. Our government has a long way to go. Our netizens also have a long way to go.

在中國，政府開始發布新聞在襲擊發生六小時之後。在這六小時內，大部分媒體都保持沉默因為他們還沒有得到報道權限。在網上，謠言開始蔓延。憤怒的網名開始指責政府的不作為。公共知識分子（一種術語用來描述自由主義者）開始指責政府的失敗責任。沒有人提到關於受害者或者那些遭受瞭攻擊的人。我們的政府還有很長的路要走。我們的網民也有很長的路要走。

For the most part, Chinese Web commentary on the attack seems to focus first on sympathy for the victims and second on highlighting what the U.S. response says about the American system and its relative merits. But, as is often the case when tragedy strikes the U.S., there is a very small but very vocal minority crowing over what they describe as a well-deserved comeuppance.

在大多數情況下，中國網絡評論攻擊首先關注的是對受害者的同情其次是強調美國對美國係統和它的優缺點的迴應。但是，通常情況下當悲劇襲擊美國時，有很小的呼聲把他們描述為罪有應得的因果報應。

“Good! Let them also hear the sound of explosions in Syria, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Yugoslavia!” One of the anti-American Web users posted, going on defend to the Chinese government’s secrecy during its own mass tragedies.

“好！讓他們也聽聽在敘利亞，利比亞，伊拉剋，阿富汗和南斯拉夫爆炸的聲音！”。一個反美網站的用戶發布，在它們自己的大規模悲劇期間繼續捍衛中國政府的秘密

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“China has an old saying: ‘It’s not that we don’t report it, it’s that the time hasn’t yet come.’ Another saying is also appropriate: ‘Persisting in evil brings about self-destruction!’”
Though these comments represent an extreme minority, a deep mistrust of U.S. foreign policy is, in my experience, fairly common in China. Many believe that the U.S. wrongly and counterproductively seeks to impose its will on other countries, especially China, a practice often described as “imperialism.” Still, anti-American comments linking that criticism to the Boston bombing do not appear to have been the norm, and were at times met with fierce criticism from other Chinese Web users.
“With the Boston Marathon terrorist attack, there are people who condemn the perpetrators mourning the victims, while other people denounce the United States saying the bombing was well-deserved and so satisfying,” one Weibo user wrote, turning that debate into a matter of national self-criticism. “We have no universal values upon which to build a foundation, so when something happens, many people don’t know from which perspective they should consider something.”

中國有句古話說“不是不報，時候未到”。還有一句是” 自作惡不可活”。
雖然這些意見代錶極少數，但是在我的經驗中，對美國外交政策的不信任在中國相當普遍。許多人認為美國錯誤的把自己的意願強加到彆的國傢，特彆是中國，這種做法是適得其反的。這種行徑常被稱作“帝國主義”。
盡管如此，反美人士對波士頓大爆炸的批評並不順利，時不時的會看到其他中國網民的激烈反駁。
一個微博用戶寫道，“波士頓馬拉鬆這場恐怖的襲擊發生後，有人譴責罪犯哀悼死者，而另一些人則公開指責美國，稱其罪有因得，大快人心。” 這場辯論又衍生齣瞭國民自省：“我們沒有建立普世價值觀的基礎，所以當有事發生時，很多人不知道從什麼角度去看問題，他們應當考慮這個問題。”

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TonyDiaz999
4/17/2013 1:18 AM GMT+0800
So clearly the USA has a per capita income of over $40,000 and a foreign policy (presumtively) and openness that engender terrorist attacks.
Should this not be simple to see?
How much can one expound on this obvious truth?
China is a developing country. Contrast with the USA is very problematic.

首先聲明一下，美國是一個人均收入超過4萬美元的國傢，其外交政策和公開度就是恐怖襲擊的原因。這還不簡單嗎？還有比這更好解釋的事實嗎？中國是一個發展中國傢，拿美國做比較這本身就非常有問題。

lydia_golis
4/17/2013 1:59 AM GMT+0800
As if there haven't been *Americans* calling these sorts of attacks comeuppence of a sort -- the sort that should prompt re-examination of all disconnection between our national policies and our values.
I want the media to shut up about the attack and start hectoring Obama and Congress (especially Congress!) about ending Gitmo and bringing some resolution and compensation to the Gitmo detainees.
And I'm not Chinese.

說的就好像沒有美國人自稱這是因果報應一樣，我們更應該加速的是自我審視，看看我們的國傢政策和價值觀之間的鴻溝有多大。我希望媒體對轟炸事件閉嘴，有種去嚇唬嚇唬奧巴馬和國會議員（特彆是議員！）給關塔那摩監獄畫個句號，做個決議，給囚犯們一點補償。另外我不是中國人。

（譯注：關塔那摩：有幾百名美國認定的恐怖分子在關塔那摩基地關押，但沒有經過任何罪名指控和司法審判。營中美軍對囚犯實施持續不斷的拷問、性虐待、強行注射藥品和宗教迫害等暴行。）

Hkiwa
4/17/2013 7:08 AM GMT+0800
Compensation? What a joke.
In fact, what you want is irrelevant. You are just another piece of internet trash

補償？真是笑話。事實上，你想要的東西風馬牛不相及。你隻是另一片網絡垃圾。

Kenneth Li
4/17/2013 4:37 AM GMT+0800
Stop trying to divert attention from the real tragedy-both of real lost lives in Boston and of the real problems in China.

歇歇吧，彆企圖分散注意力，兩邊都有悲劇：波士頓有人失去生命，中國也有真實的問題要麵對。

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Bretzky
4/17/2013 2:38 AM GMT+0800
The difference between the security apparatuses in the US and China over situations like the Boston bombing is that the security apparatus in the US at such a time is geared toward helping and reassuring the people who have been affected by the event, while in China the security apparatus is geared toward helping the party maintain order and control. Helping the people is a secondary concern in such events. And that's ultimately the difference between a security state and one that is willing to accept more risk in its daily life and activities.

中美在類似於波士頓大爆炸這種事情的安全機製的不同之處就在於，美國的安全機製是以幫助和安撫民眾為導嚮的，就是那些受事件影響的人們。而中國的安全機製旨在維護黨的秩序和控製力，在此類事件中協助民眾是第二位的。這就是二者的根本區彆，一個安全的國傢和一個願意冒險和承擔更多風險的國傢的區彆。

JanKaesebier
4/17/2013 2:43 AM GMT+0800
Dear Max,
You translated "不是不報，時候未到” wrong. It's not "report" but "retaliate, revenge, pay back."

親愛的Max，你翻譯的"不是不報，時候未到” 是錯的。那個不是“報道”的意思，而是“報復，復仇，迴擊”。

kl0202
4/17/2013 3:54 AM GMT+0800
Max needs a good editor.
I wonder which Chinese newspaper would assign someone like Max to report on the US. My guess is he can read elementary school level Chinese.

Max需要一位好編輯。我想知道哪傢中文報紙會和Max這樣的記者在美國簽閤同，我猜他可以讀中國的小學。

Lao Fu
4/17/2013 10:11 AM GMT+0800
The poor English translation was done by a native Chinese speaker. Max took the English translation directly from ChinaSmack. I've known Chinese who've lived in the U.S. for a decade or more who can't order a pizza over the phone.

這差勁的英文翻譯來自一位地道的中國人。Max 把中國古語直譯成英文。我認識一個在美國生活瞭十幾年的中國人，他甚至不會用電話訂披薩。

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the_ANTIDRUG
4/17/2013 8:55 AM GMT+0800
"Officials, police, and citizens work together (in harmony)" the Chinese citizen says.
Being a democracy, there is, at times, little harmony. But you know what; when the chips are down we do and will work together.
So, Dems and Republicans, Left and Right, Cut the crap and lets stop fighting between ourselves.

中國公民說“官方，警察，市民齊心協力默契配閤”。作為一個民主國傢，這裏曾幾何時有那麼一丁點默契。但是你知道嗎，也隻有在這種緊急關頭的時候我們纔會這麼做。所以，民主黨和共和黨，左派和右派，廢話少說，讓我們停止自相殘殺吧！

mlouisa70394
4/17/2013 9:51 AM GMT+0800
First of all, can you imagine such an open event in China such as the marathon? The olympics in China were "invitation only" and then carefully screened again. The Chinese government does not want any real public participation in anything.

首先，你能想象齣中國會有像馬拉鬆這樣的公開活動嗎？中國舉辦的奧林匹剋是“隻有受到邀請的”人纔能參加，還要一再的仔細甄彆。中國政府根本不想讓公眾參與任何事情。

jbers
4/17/2013 11:06 PM GMT+0800
You seem so sure about what you're saying. I can say after being in China for 3 years, huge open events are a norm in China. It is much more common to find thousands of people in a small place in China than in the US.

看樣子你對自己說的話深信不疑啊。作為一個在中國待瞭三年的人，我能說大型公開活動在中國是常事嗎。比之美國，在中國一個很小的地方聚集著上韆人是件再稀鬆平常不過的事瞭。

TheLostKid
2:25 PM GMT+0800
Lol. I see some true ignorant people here. You are SURROUNDED by open events every single day in China. Marathons took place everywhere. I truly feel sorry that you have no idea what the world is like.

Lol,我看到瞭這兒有一些無知的人。在中國你會每天都會被各種公開賽包圍著。馬拉鬆在全世界各地都有舉辦。我為你對這個世界的無知深錶遺憾。

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wolfmanchi
4/17/2013 10:54 PM GMT+0800
I suppose if you're willing to face down your own unarmed citizens with tanks in the public square, you'd be able to prevent such things.

我猜你很願意手無寸鐵的在廣場上和坦剋對陣，你一定能阻止這樣的事發生。

sk1er
12:21 AM GMT+0800
The terror in Boston is a tragedy. This article about Chinese reactions to our open news and open society reminds me of our precious freedoms we enjoy and accept as a given. The US remains one of the most open and free countries. I pause to be thankful I live here...

在波士頓發生的恐怖襲擊是場悲劇。這篇文章是關於中國人對我們開放的新聞和開明的社會的反應，這讓我想起來我們享有珍貴的自由，而且樂善好施。美國仍然是世界上最開放和自由的國傢之一。我應該停下來為我生活在這裏而感恩……

dougx
6:10 AM GMT+0800
I would rather be more free and less safe. The problem withthe govt. making us safe; it presupposes that we will never have to fear the govt.

我寜可少點安全多點自由。關鍵是，讓政府保護我們的安全的前提，是我們從不畏懼政府。

punchitout20031
6:35 AM GMT+0800
China has some serious issues with violence and terrorism. For them to judge the US is like a serial killer judging a jaywalker. And who cares what they think. Why is the US media consumed with what foreigners think of the US?

中國有嚴重的暴力和恐怖主義。他們評判美國就像是連環殺手評價闖紅燈的行人。誰會理會他們怎麼想。為什麼美國媒體這麼介意其他國傢怎麼看美國？

TheLostKid
2:23 PM GMT+0800
like what violence and terrorism? I have never heard of any terrorist attack in China. Violence? That happens everywhere.

什麼暴力和恐怖主義？我可從來沒聽說過恐怖分子襲擊中國。暴力？暴力是無處不在的。

Ed Bosskin
1:05 PM GMT+0800
China is afraid of their own shadow---everyone os guilty until proven innocent, let them live like that if they desire---they all act alike, they all look alike, they all are scared of the government--screwem

中國害怕他們自己的影子——在被證明清白之前人人都有罪，如他們所願就讓他們這麼活著吧——他們行動如齣一轍，看上去也沒什麼區彆，他們都害怕他們的政府——令人作嘔。

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